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If I was to Receive a letter from my ISP Virgin Media, i know that i am the only person in the household who uses the Internet and it would be a false alligation, my first port of call would be to immediately contact Virgin Media and Cancel my contract of nearly 9 years with them. Why should i pay them nearly £100 a month for a breach in my privacy and liberties. I would immediately switch to Talk Talk who seem to be opposing the law.
I have sent the following to my ISP on the virgin Media Customer Help Section:
Digital Economy Bill 2010
“Due to the new Laws Being set in place, i am now like all UK citizens, a Target for false copyright alligations. In the event of a false alligation or the breach of my Wifi Security resulting in a Letter alleging copyright infringment, is it possible to put on my account for a phone call to be made to myself from your Disconnection department instead of this letter. So i may cancel my services with Virgin Media immediately.
If i was to call, would i be able to Note this on my account as a swift change to Talk Talk with no break in my services would be the ultimate solution.
I am going to call up and tell them to note the above on my account with my ISP, I think if everyone put a note of this sort on there ISP account who opposed it, would force them Financially to tackle the goverment on the matter.
I’m here to stay.
Thank God someone is prepared to make a stand against these petty dictators.
Power to the people
Totally agree with you Mark.
We call our form of government Democratic, well that’s just a joke it’s only a democracy when it comes round to election time.
We are seeing our rights and freedom being eroded away on both sides of the pond.
Minorities now have control of the majority through our governments.
Societies that are so busy being politically correct, they have become dictatorships.
I fear we will all wake up when it’s too late, or are we all too busy trying to live a luxury lifestyle on borrowed money? So much in debt we don’t have time to worry
About insignificant things like rights and freedom.
Why Not Start A National Piracy Week Educating Everyone In The UK To Stop Buying Music And Film And Start Filesharing For A Week, Hit The Shareholders Who Pushed This Bill Through Where It Hurts There Pocket.
I think you folks in the U.K. have lost control of your government as we are in the process of doing in America. I think it’s time for all of us English and American alike to stand up and take back control of our lives. We have given to much away in the name of security, I prefer freedom I’ll take care of my own security.
This is all part of the (NWO) New World Order. The Bilderberg Group, which consists of approximately 130 elite people have been planning this take-over for the last 60 years. Listen to Alex Jones at Infowars.com. for the facts. google: Endgame to see the elites entire plan to control you.They want to have complete control of your life. If you rebel, they will declare Marshall Law and you won’t even be able to leave your home. P.S.It has been rumoured that David Cameron and Gordon Brown have been to their meetings.
Write to your MP people!
The Digital Economy Act (in terms of the disconnection nonsense) has nothing to do with innovation or protecting people’s rights and everything to do with protectionism for certain industries that want to ignore the reality of their increasingly out of date business models. Technology is constantly changing the economic landscape – how ludicrous it is to be putting (sorry rushing) bills like this through Parliament.
I would like to thank and support everyone who is sticking their necks out to oppose this legislation. As a Brit living in Australia I am fully with TalkTalk and others in their resistance. The same fight is at our gates…..it’s spreading and will do so if we don’t join our voices together as a world community and sa NO NO NO…You Don’t! Support those who are for freedom of information and boycott those who are not. People power will do it, with Loud Clear mass actions. Thankyou again, may Freedom reign!
Thank goodness a company like TalkTalk has common sense and is fighting for peoples’ rights and privacy. This law gives the government carte blanche to anyone’s personal information. 1984 Orwellian style. .
If the Government can disconnect for downloading music why can’t they disconnect anyone who accesses pornography?
Anna F, i’m not quite sure what “nutters” you are talking about, but this act will surely be one of many thats going to infringe on peoples rights and privacy.
I honestly do not expect the general public to pay any attention to this bill, just as they didn’t with the Iraq war and 9/11
By the time people do it’ll be too late.
Also, TalkTalk, I really respect what you’re doing here. Sorry you seem to have attracted some nutters, it was kind of inevitable.
This bill represents a dying mentality, one that doesn’t work in the 21st century. When has technology ever gone backwards? Yet that’s exactly what they’re trying to do; throttling the connections of offenders in a doomed attempt to save outmoded business methods.
I’m extremely disappointed in the way this bill’s been rushed through, and can only hope that the election will bring about some change.
Even though the bill will be pass with in days we can u turn it because the government doesnt want to look bad infront of america.
We own Britian not the government and we as people can have what we want if we will fight for it like Talk Talk is doing.
I think instead of attacking polititions on this with email lets email the ISP’s because they know Talk Talk are not bowing down and one we get BT and Virgin doing the same as Talk Talk then the government can not do a thing apart from press charges but even then they wouldnt because they will not be a isolated case.
This is some sickening stuff. Really, how much does the government intend to try and get away with?
They always and will be more concerned with their own pockets and the agenda of corporations rather then the people. It’s so messed up.
Go to Infowars.com and look at everything that the Global Elite are doing. This is just one more step in their massive takeover of the world. We must resist! Stand your ground TalkTalk, and may the Lord almighty help us!
You think Roy is talking s—? Google the new world order WAKE UP PEOPLE
Digital Economy Pill – http://depill.me/
Keep fighting talk talk.
There will be no u turn on this. Expect more of the same as rhe evil empire begins its reign. Haven’t you yet realised that it does not matter who you vote. They are all owned, Politics is like a train sat on the tracks, It doesn`t matter who the driver is, the destination is the same.
Welcome to the fourth reich, be prepared for extermination camps, martial law and the destruction of a large number of the masses with the survivors enslaved. welcome to the New World Order.
We have all sat back and let it happen and now it is to late to stop.
Well done talk talk, The revolution starts now
The main issue is the fact they have just been given powers to sift through everything we do no the net, this is equivalent to our houses being bugged and phones tapped, also the blocking of websites that have or MIGHT have in the FUTURE illegal material, this will no doubt be used to block sites that are deemed a threat, basically CENSORSHIP:::
how on earth did this happen and why isnt it on every news front page it disgusts me the media isnt covering it
i work for carphone warehouse which used to own talk talk before they broke free this year, i have never had faith in them due to how many problems i see people having day in day out, but then again it could just be all the idiots we get comming in sometimes, either way i cannot praise them enough for standing up to this idiotic law which has once again been rushed through parliament without anyone blinking an eye. It saddens me to think how little the politicians know about the internet and its neutrality, I bet 3/4′s of them don’t know what an IP address is, yet we individual consumers, who pay for our access to the internet unlike some of us who can claim it back through expense. We must suffer with sanctions which amount to a government censured internet, well done TalkTalk i cannot praise you enough
i think talk talk dont have a prayer of stopping the government. We have already gone past capitalism and are entering communism. The state is all powerful and everybody has to bowdown to the state.
Glad to see TalkTalk have said they’ll ignore disconnection orders. This chimes with the #whatdebill movement and I think is a valid response: the rule of law is an important pillar of our society, but politely flouting one bad law isn’t going to bring civilisation crashing down, and it’s better than wrecking the real digital economy by trying to comply.
While continuing to work to get this legislation watered down or chucked out, one of the positive things we can all do is try to maintain business as usual. I’ve made a handy poster about this which is downloadable from http://www.adambanks.com/wordpress/keep-calm-and-log-on-poster-debill/2315/
The Act has fundamental flaws and should not have been included in the wash-up procedure.
Why don’t we have a national protest week against this completely misconceived bill and turn webpage borders black to show opposition to the Act.
It is a fundamental breach of the Human Rights Act. It is a disproportionate and unfocussed remedy.
There are numerous neighbourhoods who share internet connections as back-ups to each other in case they get internet outages. This Act precludes the provision of open access and will fundamentally restrict the development of the open internet.
The music industry wants to have its cake, eat it and have your cake too:
- we act for a number of music artists and they don’t support the Bill and say that it is not supported by many of the artists in the music industry.
- the record labels don’t want to spend money on anti-copy technology
- the record labels don’t want to spend money on gathering proper evidence
- the record labels don’t want to risk litigation costs when they lose a case
There are other more sensible solutions to the problem but they would cost the music industry money which the music industry won’t pay!
Don’t allow the Government to remove your legal rights to an open internet and a right to fair trial!
Even if the bill goes through if we protest out side parliment and do it the old fashioned way like the people before us. This country is a democracy and lets fource our vote!
I also believe the EU can help us about this as this is a un-demicratic bill and that is against what the EU is ment to be about.
In the words of queen “we keen on fighting till the end”
The act violates 3 of our most fundamental rights under English law.
1: The right to a fair and honest trial to be tried by a jury of your peers
2: Presumed innocence until guilt is proven
3: Guilt must be proven beyond reasonable doubt
Due to the fact that there isn’t a single form of wireless encryption that cannot be broken, coupled with the fact that you are presumed guilty of any accusation until you pay to fight and prove your innocence means essentially that people are going to be punished in cases where there is no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, which is horribly wrong
The Act has a major weakness in respect of the obligation on ISPs to react to allegations that a customer has infringed copyright. The Act states that the ISP must react when it receives an allegation of copyright infringement from the OWNER of the copyright.
This means there is an implied obligation on the ISP to verify that the sender of the complaint is really the OWNER of the copyright. That means the actual person who owns the copyright of the work has to make the complaint and that the ISP has to have a way to verify that this is the case.
Is it me or is it a bit suss that the no 10 website has now closed the ability to add signatures to the petition until after the election. I suppose this way they can say the petition was only x long instead of 5 times as much with the current outrage of them sneaking the bill through.
So, who wants to start a judicial review?
it is almost certian to become law? I’m not happy.
Finally got a response from local Labour MP. He says he’s already written to Stephen Timms, Minister For Digital Britain, on behalf of another constituent and he’s awaiting a reply. My question would be, why hasn’t he received a reply already? He’s leaving it a bit late.
I just got a response from Keith Hill and he says that there is a lot of discussion about this bill and that he has written to Mandelson to ask for clarification on things that have been flagged by this website!
dont despair people, keep fighting!
I wrote to my (Tory) MP who has said in response that they’re pushing for a proper debate on the proposals, but either way he’s on notice as have told him I will choose to vote based on how he votes on the matter.
Use the weapon of your vote – we are in a democracy after all!
You can write to your MP via http://www.38degrees.org.uk/digital-economy-bill
One thing that the music moguls and their lapdogs fail to realise is that if someone downloads an album and it’s worth owning, they buy a hard copy.
Why? Because computers, MP3 player/ Ibollocks,etc, are so fickle that they can crash and burn at any time.
I don’t trust the machines that store my digital files and I always have a solid back up strategy. That is invariably a CD or DVD of the original product.
That’s my logic.
But what happens when a movie or track doesn’t live up to the advertising that the content owner has applied to it? What if it’s complete rubbish once I’ve paid a lot of money for it?
Can I claim my money back under the Sale of Goods Act?
Stop flogging mediocre stuff at premium prices, this cash cow is seeing it’s last milking parlour.
I wrote to my local MP, Tony Wright about this over a week ago and didn’t even get a response. What a surprise.
I now understand this draconian bill is not to be debated this is not democrasy
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in answear to the comment below. Billy Brag never had a record deal news to me . Radiohead never had a record deal news to me.I wont go on you got the drift your talking out your ass.
the musician’s that support the theft of music online were the ones that never got a record deal, or who have stopped selling records.
Go on talk talk, be fair, pay the musicians when you make money from distributing their work online without their permission.
I would like the answear to just one question I work for several radio stations i send shows via weblockers to the stations sometimes stream to them.under this bill I understand i could be out of work due to the upload of those shows ||I could be off line. (shows contain music) it is not illegal and stations pay copyright if required in their local country.
lmao… 3 ex Ministers suspended today over lobbying claims and Peter Mandelson says “It’s extremely disappointing and it’s very sad and altogether rather grubby”. This from the man who had to resign twice from Government and then after dinner with David Geffen uturned 180 and started a campaign to disconnect file sharers!
imaginary property deserve the respect it deserves none.
as a musician i learnt my ways/techniques from other people and thus how the real ecosystem works.
music was around before corporation corrupt, it and will again.
The Internet is now fuelling the end of the content business which is a good thing, do it for the art not money.
don’t be fooled by blanket lies from media, corrupt lies from reptile politicians.
Patents and copyright only serve to dehumanizes humanity create unfair advantages and ultimately ruin the human race.
So embrace creative commons and stop selling your soul.
I know music is my passion, and not business model.
So don’t write songs to make money write them for people to sing along
Look at this web server it using floss Imagen what the internet whould be if were cloged up with copyright and patent trolls.
Live Free Or DIE! FLOSS all the way.
By the way your captcha fails the Turing test
In The Morning
I completely agree with the morals of cracking down on piracy, however I dont get the logic.
The fact that all entertainment is priced way too high for sales to pick up as much as the industry wants, piracy is the only way of advertising they have left. Yes they will lose revenue, however the revenue they will gain from the people who “try before they buy” is much greater than it would be if this bill is passed.
Not only that, but if the bill is passed, pirates will just find another way around the system, at the moment its torrents, when its regulated everyone will join the smart pirates on file hosts, when that’s cracked down on, everyone will join the smart pirates on sFTP and PrivateVPN’s.
Pirates will always be one step ahead, and the bill will accomplish nothing because of this except it will damage the already broken economy of Britain.
UK internet users shouldn’t have to pay for the music and film industries greed and stubbornness. If they want to stop file sharing they need to modernise their industry instead of punishing the general public for their lack of progress.
Hey guys, like the campaign, will try to help in any reasonable way I can. The music industry in particular, is trying to save its sorry hide before the fall. Music is not going anywhere. They can’t conceive of a decent distribution model, and for that reason they can, and should, fall by the wayside. I’m a musician myself, I intend to publish myself on the internet and if people want to ‘rip off’ my music, I’m not really that bothered to be honest, as more people will hear my tracks. MONEY being the sole motivation for creating art is, in my opinion, disgusting.
Your mis-spelling of the word proposal in only the second sentence on your front page is somewhat embarrassing.
Thankyou dontdisconnectus! someone has to do something to stop this insanity. And all because some grey suited tw*ts can’t keep with the times. Goodbye Mandleson! Goodbye bloated multinational media corporations! Welcome to OUR world!!